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Stats & Equipment

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Overview

Strategy

Environment

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Base Level: Blood Echoes, HP, Damage and Def. Multipliers

Basic Information

Location														Required
Chalice Dungeons
Root Dungeon Base Level | Madman	1212	713	213	195	232	194	276	237	252	199	185	-	-	No
Root Dungeon Base Level | Escort	454	713	213	195	232	194	276	237	252	199	185	-	-	No
For enemies that also appear (or exclusively appear) in dungeons, their stats will be shown at the base level, because their exact stats at any given point are calculated from these base values.
Lower Hintertomb Labyrinth L2 | Madman	4880	15036	213	195	232	194	276	237	252	199	185	-	-	No
Lower Hintertomb Labyrinth L2 | Escort	1828	15036	213	195	232	194	276	237	252	199	185	-	-	No
	► Defenses: Physical, Blunt, Thrust, Blood, Arcane, Fire and Bolt. Resistances: Slow Poison and Rapid Poison. Bonuses: Beasts & Kin.

Location & Discovery	Drop & [Rate]
No effect	Lower Hintertomb Labyrinth L2; Lower Hintertomb Root Chalice [100%]; + 1 Insight for encounter;+ 3 Insight for defeating the boss.

Multipliers		Bonuses		Weak against	Additional Information
HP Multiplier	1	Is beast	No	Lowest defense: Blood
Arcane Damage Multiplier	1	Is kin	No
Fire Damage Multiplier	1	Is weak to serrated	No
Bolt Damage Multiplier	1	Is weak to righteous	No

The required bosses must be killed in order to finish the main game story and to proceed to the new game plus and further, whereas the optional ones may be avoided.

Forgotten Madman / Madman's Escort ❘ 忘れられた異常者 / 異常者の側近	Boss

Description In-game Name (multi-language) English: Forgotten Madman / Madman's Escort; Japanese: 忘れられた異常者 / 異常者の側近; German: Vergessener Verrückter / Eskorte des Verrückter; Spanish: Loco Olvidado / Escolta de Loco; French: Dément Oublié / Compagnon du Dément; Italian: Folle Dimenticato / Scorta del Folle Internal Name Japanese: NPC8　グレミア狂人　【Boss】 / NPC8_2　グレミア狂人　【Boss】; Translation: NPC8 Madman of Gremia [Boss] / NPC8_2 Madman of Gremia [Boss] ...It’s possible that Ludwig traveled into the Labyrinth in search of a weapon or an answer to put an end to the Scourge once and for all. Maybe he simply wanted the Truth, to know where the Scourge came from. What he found is unknown, but Ludwig would never return from his expedition. The Forgotten Madman and The Madman’s Escort. While they wear tattered rags, their weapons are as sharp as they were on the day these two Tomb Prospectors entered the Labyrinth. The Madman’s Escort wields a Kirkhammer, a weapon of the Healing Church Hunters. The Forgotten Madman himself wields a Holy Blade and a Rifle, and uses an Empty Phantasm Shell, an item of high-ranking Church Members, to empower his Holy Blade with Arcane strength. But the most absolute telling weapon wielded by the Forgotten Madman is A Call Beyond, the ultimate weapon of the Healing Church, used only by their highest-ranking members. Upon slaying them, the Insight Messengers will sell the Hunter the Madman’s Garb. According to the Madman’s Garb: "Most tomb prospectors, members of the Healing Church chosen to explore the old labyrinth, are unable to withstand the weight of the old knowledge, and go mad. Truth often resembles madness, inaccessible to the dull of mind. Those who go mad are merely thoughtful souls who failed to reach any conclusions. The appendages draped across them are said to be a kind of protective charm, or at least, that is what these lost souls believe with all their hearts." It would seem Ludwig found his answer, but it wasn’t what he could have ever possibly expected. The complex nature of the eldritch Great Ones was too much for Ludwig and his Escort; the pair were driven insane, unable to withstand the weight of the old knowledge. [The Paleblood Hunt by Redgrave] Stats & Equipment Tables below consist of datamined stats and equipment, this specific information is for NPCs, hunters or less, that uses a player-like human model and skeleton, practically every NPC that can be equipped with player's gears. Some characters are equipped with items that they aren't programmed to use by the AI, such items are highlighted. All characters have infinite Quicksilver Bullets and 99 copies of any item they hold (including Blood Vials) and the only thing that prevents from infinitely consuming them is written in their AI script. For information about all characters visit Datamined NPCs Stats & Equipment wiki page. Character Stats Data Location Lower Hintertomb | Madman 10 10 15 20 20 20 20 Lower Hintertomb | Escort 10 10 15 20 20 20 20 Character Equipment (Right & Left Hand Weapons) Data (Madman) Ludwig's Holy Blade +3; (Escort) Kirkhammer +3 Damage: Phys. / Blunt / Thrust (both) Madman Hood Weakness: Blunt (both) Bare Hands None (unused) (both) Madman Garb Weakness: Blunt (Madman) Ludwig's Rifle +4; (Escort) Flamesprayer Damage: Blood; Damage: Fire (both) Madman Manchettes Weakness: Phys. / Blunt / Blood (both) Bare Hands None (unused) (both) Madman Leggings Weakness: Fire Character Equipment (Items) Data (Madman) Augur of Ebrietas (used) (Madman) Empty Phantasm Shell (used) (Madman) A Call Beyond (used) (both) None - Preparation Stock up on Bone Marrow Ash, Quicksilver Bullets and Blood Vials. Setting your weapons with Blood Gems that add poison effects can be helpful; otherwise just stack as many attack bonuses as you can fit and bring some Fire Paper to further boost your damage The Reiterpallasch is extremely useful for its ability to perform right-handed interrupts and is most effective when paired with the Cannon or a Flamesprayer, and the Hunter Axe's transformed charge attack is very useful for keeping the madmen at a safe distance. Overview You'll start off facing only the Forgotten Madman; his escort won't join the battle until you've reduced his health by 25%. The madman frequently switches between both of his weapon's forms with transformation attacks, and will continually maintain an arcane augmentation on his sword throughout the battle using the Empty Phantasm Shell; he'll also occasionally cast Augur of Ebrietas and A Call Beyond. The escort does not use magic, but will often fire long, sustained blasts with his Flamesprayer while walking toward you, and tends to prefer the heavier transformed stance of his Kirkhammer. Both are susceptible to poison but have extremely quick responses and will frequently dodge thrown weapons such as Poison Knives, making Blood Gems a more reliable alternative for poisoning them. Both opponents are extremely aggressive and will constantly rush directly at you, giving you very little room to act without using the environment to separate them. Strategy Inflict as much damage as possible on the Forgotten Madman before Phase 2 begins and finish him as quickly as you can when his escort shows up. This is most easily accomplished by reducing his health to around 80%, powering up the cannon with Bone Marrow Ash and interrupting him with a gunshot from the Reiterpallasch - by shooting him with the cannon while he's staggered rather than using a visceral attack, you'll inflict a far larger amount of damage. Use the pillars to separate your enemies and focus your attacks on the madman; when he falls, finish the escort with interrupts or gunshots boosted with your remaining Bone Marrow Ash. Phase 1 Strategy: Reduce the madman's health to about 80%, then power up your weapons with Bone Marrow Ash (and Fire or Bolt Paper if you haven't already used it) and interrupt him. Whether you use one of the Strategies above or simply follow through with a visceral attack at this point is up to you; the goal is simply to deal as much damage to him as possible before his escort appears and complicates the battle. While the madman isn't extremely dangerous on his own, be careful to time your attacks so that he can't retreat or knock you out of them; if you try to hit him when he isn't in the middle of performing an action, he'll instantly quickstep away or counter with a faster swing Phase 2 Strategy: When the Forgotten Madman's health drops below 75%, the Madman's Escort will appear at the rear of the room and join the fight. The madman is your priority target at this point and you should eliminate him before dealing with the escort; if you've followed the Strategies above, the madman will begin this phase with only about 25% of his health remaining and will fall quickly to R1 combos. Power up your firearms with Bone Marrow Ash and bombard the madman with high-damage ranged attacks from a safe distance. If you're unable to use ranged attacks at all, use the pillars to separate your targets and wait for an opportunity to interrupt the madman, then finish him with a visceral attack - the invincibility frames during the animation will prevent the escort from damaging you until you recover. With the madman out of the way, finish the escort with visceral attacks or R1 combos; you can also time charged attacks so that he walks straight into them. Environment The boss room forms a short-armed cross, with narrow corners and an open center flanked by four pillars in ordinal positions. Fighting in the tight corners restricts your evasive options and is extremely dangerous if both madmen are still alive, but fighting in the center of the room is equally difficult, because it exposes you to attack from both of them at the same time. The four pillars are essential for separating the bosses and buying yourself time to heal or prepare an ambush, and you'll need to make constant use of them to avoid being stunlocked to death. Notes Last one defeated drops Lower Hintertomb Root Chalice. Defeating Forgotten Madman and his Escort unlocks Madman Set at Insight Bath Messengers for purchase. Forgotten Madman uses "Conviction" gesture when you are defeated. Madman's Escort uses "Approval" gesture when you are defeated.

Pungent Blood Cocktails don't attract this enemy, making the item ineffective. Shaman Bone Blades affect this enemy, making it hostile to other enemies. Boss Defenses (Forgotten Madman) 213 276 185 195 237 - 232 252 - 194 199 Boss Defenses (Madman's Escort) 213 276 185 195 237 - 232 252 - 194 199 Cooperation & Boss' HP Having a summoned ally doesn't alter the health or difficulty of the enemies you'll fight, but it does affect the bosses. To ensure they are still a challenge, boss health is increased to 1.5x when a second co-op player enters your world, and to 2.0x when a third enters.

Base Level: Blood Echoes, HP, Damage and Def. Multipliers

For enemies that also appear (or exclusively appear) in dungeons, their stats will be shown at the base level, because their exact stats at any given point are calculated from these base values. The basic formula is: Total Value = Base x A x B x C x D. Multipliers written down below were datamined directly from the game files. Multiplier A represents depth (1 - 5) of the chalice dungeon; multiplier B is layer (1 - 4) of the specific chalice dungeon; multiplier C is used when dungeon is Pthumeru Ihyll; multiplier D is for calculating blood echoes when additional curse rite is used.

Blood Echoes Multipliers	HP Multipliers	Damage Multipliers	Defense Multipliers
Total Value = Base x A x B x C x D	Total Value = Base x A x B x C	Total Value = Base x A x B x C	Total Value = Base x A x B x C
Multiplier A - Depth Depth 1: 1.399999976158142 Depth 2: 3.2568421363830566 Depth 3: 10.551578521728516 Depth 4: 44.402103424072266 Depth 5: 63.250526428222656	Multiplier A - Depth Depth 1: 1.7640000581741333 Depth 2: 2.558000087738037 Depth 3: 6.763999938964844 Depth 4: 11.41100025177002 Depth 5: 12.204999923706055	Multiplier A - Depth Depth 1: 1.6239999532699585 Depth 2: 1.9140000343322754 Depth 3: 2.5899999141693115 Depth 4: 2.989000082015991 Depth 5: 3.1050000190734863	Multiplier A - Depth Depth 1: 1.100000023841858 Depth 2: 1.149999976158142 Depth 3: 1.4249999523162842 Depth 4: 1.5499999523162842 Depth 5: 1.5750000476837158
Multiplier B - Layer Layer 1: 1.0000000000000000 Layer 2: 1.0499999523162842 Layer 3: 1.100000023841858 Layer 4: 1.2000000476837158	Multiplier B - Layer Layer 1: 1.0000000000000000 Layer 2: 1.0499999523162842 Layer 3: 1.0750000476837158 Layer 4: 1.149999976158142	Multiplier B - Layer Layer 1: 1.0000000000000000 Layer 2: 1.0750000476837158 Layer 3: 1.100000023841858 Layer 4: 1.149999976158142	Multiplier B - Layer Layer 1: 1.0000000000000000 Layer 2: 1.0099999904632568 Layer 3: 1.0149999856948853 Layer 4: 1.0175000429153442
Multiplier C - Ihyll Ihyll: 1.36899995803833	Multiplier C - Ihyll Ihyll: 1.1039999723434448	Multiplier C - Ihyll Ihyll: 1.0870000123977661	Multiplier C - Ihyll Ihyll: 1.0149999856948853
Multiplier D - Additional Rite Cursed Offering: 1.2000000476837158